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Health Care and why the Republicans won

I believe the Republicans wanted this healthcare bill. They have been fighting against it ever since President Obama was elected. They have rallied up their base against it, demonized it, called it unconstitutional and have vowed to replace it.  I am calling their bluff.

After having an online disagreement with one of these conservatives to a post I made about what I referred to as The Heritage Foundation Care plan and their part in the individual mandate, I decided to look a little further. What I found out kind of shocked me. I found this video of  a Heritage Foundation representative at the signing ceremony for Romneys ‘ healthcare bill in Massachusetts.  He does a lot of talking about portability and being able to take your healthcare with you if you switch jobs. Sounds nice. COBRA is expensive when you have just been laid off or have to wait any amount of time before you are offered insurance at your next job, usually at 90 days or so. But isn’t that what the Republicans are complaining about the most?

This is the original post and what it resulted in.

It seems that some of the conservatives have misplaced the true origination of Obama care. If the American people had a memory better than a fish, or paid attention they would know the facts.

Fact: The dems started out wanting medicare for all. An immediate no go.
Fact: The dems then went to single a single payer plan. A small VAT tax on sales. NO GO AGAIN!
Fact : The dems then went and capitulated to the reps on almost all of their demands. Including the UNCONSTITUTIONAL MANDATE. That just happens to be a Republican idea.
http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Newt_Gingrich_Health_Care.htm

http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/02/07/the-tortuous-conservative-history-of-the-individual-mandate/

Please be honest with yourselves and quit lying to the American populace. If you can’t own up to your own parties policies, ………. well then that is not our fault.

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You are trying to dodge the point of my first post. This terrible bill that was passed by the evil Nanceee Pelossiiiii IS A HERITAGE FOUNDATION, MITT RAWMONEY, NEWT GINGRICH backed plan. There is video and audio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M9gGwW2gCs
See Lyndsey Graham shaking his head yes? I do. Oops! But just like the Amnesty bill, you on the right can’t understand that the politicians on the right no longer work for you. With Citizens United passed and Montana having lost their “states rights” (funny how that only works when the states rights argument doesn’t cut it with the corporatists) having been shut down, the right now only answers to the “people”, the chartered people. You see, if you have a corporate charter, and a mufti-national one at that, then your voice matters.

Take the amnesty bill. Why would law and order republicans back a giveaway to non – citizens? They didn’t? They knew the base would be all riled up and the bill would fail. Yet they still won. How? They still get to keep all their illegal workers with no rights, and get to drive down wages and drive up unemployment among the citizenry. Then when you all see that the unemployment rate is high, and illegals are “raiding” our country, you all show up in droves at the polls and hopefully they win office. And then they quietly go back to the status quo, their base quiets down ( because you can’t blame them for doing nothing when they are in office) and nothing changes. Hey good job! You really made a difference! Wait, no you didn’t.

As for the Heritage Foundation Care, this is amazing. Your party put forth the plan, and now the democrats are the ones praising and trying to justify the plan, while the republicans are demonizing their own plan for your benefit, yet their special interests are the ones that will benefit from it. This is the most inefficient and costly way to go about providing access to health care possible. The funny thing is that I hear from people on the right about how they are poe’d about having to buy health insurance, yet they are poe’d about not being able to visit a doctor. I have taken friends to clinics while they were having heart pains and they were turned away. I wonder if the Government agent at the door was the one that turned them away. These same people were mad at people on disability, social security, and other programs because the “Government doesn’t help me, why should it help them” Well, if you are on disability or social security, you paid into those programs. Why didn’t you? Aren’t your kids covered by the state? How much do you pay to have your kids educated?

Anyway, you ask these people if they would be willing to pay a 3% sales tax if it would allow you to see a doctor and do you know what they say? GLADLY! Now who was duped?

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Since you think I am a stupid conniving, democrat politician who does nothing but lie and distort despite the fact that I have shown visual, audible and printed proof of the fact that the individual mandate is a conservative idea, I will show you by using your own words and your elected leaders own words.. Please follow every word I type and you can read as slowly and as many times as you need..

First: I will state that you are right about the whole plan being nothing like the conservatives have proposed. The fact that 80% of OUR premiums will go toward OUR health care instead of CEO and shareholder profit. That is NOT a conservative proposal.
Second: The fact that insurers can no longer deny coverage to those who have “pre-existing conditions”, and if you end up with a disease or debilitating condition you can not be kicked out of a healthcare plan you have been paying into for years, IS NOT a conservative proposal.
Those are things to be proud to defend, right? If your argument is here, that is just semantics.
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Now I will show you how the dems caved to the demands of the conservatives, in your own words.

“Fact: The dems started out wanting medicare for all. An immediate no go.
Fact: The dems then went to single a single payer plan. A small VAT tax on sales. NO GO AGAIN!
Fact : The dems then went and capitulated to the reps on almost all of their demands. Including the UNCONSTITUTIONAL MANDATE. That just happens to be a Republican idea. ”

Facts are something that are true, and these are not at all true.

During 2009 when Obamacare was being written, the Democrats had complete control of the house and senate. They had a 60 vote majority in the Senate and the Republicans could not stop anything. Single payer was abandond because even the moderate Democrats would not go along. (meaning they supported a more conservative bill, they were siding with the republicans)

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“The majority of dems were for single payer. The majority of dems were for medicare for all.” Yes, there right from your post is a FACT and the TRUITH.

The MAJORITY of the dems were for single payer, but not enough to get it through the house or the senate. There was absolutely no way the Senators from Misouri, Montana and Nebraska would vote for single payer. (conservadem fillibuster)

They had to change their bill, not go secure the votes of Republicans, but to get enough of the Democrats.
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Now read this carefully and s l o w l y, so that you understand it.
What you have been arguing is that it is all the EVILLLLL DEMONCRATS that passed this UNCONSTITUTIONAL MANDATE on the American people, yet you admit that the democrats original proposal was a VAT tax or medicare, which is single payer.
Yet you say that EVEN THE MODERATE DEMS, AKA DINO’S, Blue dog, or CONSERVADEMS, would NOT GO ALONG with it (meaning in your mind, they were more in agreement with the cons because they were siding with the cons.).Why? “The government is going to take over 1/8 or 20% or 35% (or what ever number you or FOX pulls out of the air ) of the private sector! And they will DESTROY THE PRIVATE INSURANCE INDUSTRY! ” Does that sound familiar to you? So why did the CONSERVADEMS vote for the bill? Because the Dems caved and moved to a more CONSERVATIVE PROPOSAL!

So your argument is proving my point, along with all the prior links which have been intentionally from as non-partisan websites as I could find so as not to have the “wing-nut” card played.

Here is more proof of the conservative healthcare proposals from conservative organizations

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/04/AR2009100402003.html?sid=ST2009101402985

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/04/AR2009100402003.html?sid=ST2009101402985
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As to the Heritage Foundation, another distortion, they never proposed or supported anything like Obamacare.

Oh, really?: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/apr/01/barack-obama/obama-says-heritage-foundation-source-health-excha/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/mar/20/romneycare-and-obamacare-can-you-tell-difference/

http://www.redstate.com/rjsantorum/2012/03/26/romneycare-inspires-obamacare-but-not-america/

http://www.rightspeak.net/2012/03/10-things-you-probably-didnt-know-about.html

http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/v30n1/cpr30n1-1.html

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2012-02-01.html

http://spectator.org/archives/2012/02/15/obamacare-vs-romneycare-a-cruc

http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2012/04/05/heritage-cheered-romneycare-in-2006/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCZ8vK2oByU

Wow! That is straight from the mouth of a Rep from the Heritage Foundation! At the signing of Romneycare bill no less! And he is claiming responsibility for the bill? Yes, yes. He. is! Patient centered, consumer based, portability. Sound like familiar talking points. When he described portability, it kind of sounded like he wants to get away from employer based insurance system, doesn’t it? Looks and sounds like Charles Grassley is for mandates and a move away from employer based insurance too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luEKDNns27w&feature=related

This explains the fillibuster and Romney backing the mandate for “Free Riders”
http://www.pensitoreview.com/2011/09/03/gop-flipflop-on-individual-mandate-in-2009-could-cost-them-the-presidency-in-2012/

So, with all the evidence before you, do you think I am still lying to you? What reason do I have to lie to you?

Are these people lying to you? Or are they like Newt, first he says this,….
http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/05/gingrich-suggests-ryan-medicare-plan-is-right-wing-social-engineering/
Then he has to go and do something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXmrOt9LVm8

But don’t you worry. They are not lying to you….until they are, but really they aren’t; they just didn”t inform you of everything or anything or were confused or uninformed at the time or just did not have all the pertinent information and facts neccessary to propose an informed and educated opinion to speak to the electorate to properly inform and educate them of the pertinent information that blah blah blah blah blah : ) Talk about Newspeak!

Like I said once before, you are entitled to your own opinion, but the facts are something that are verifiable. You have enough links and video of Romney and Newt saying themselves that the Heritage Foundation was the author of the individual mandate, Heritage Foundation members saying their bill was what Romney used to base Romney care on.and stating that they are forging a new future in healthcare. There is video of Romney stating that he would like Romney care to be a basis for national healtcare, based on the individual mandate that would get rid of the “moochers” and” leeches”, and Lyndsey Graham nodding in approval. I honestly don’t know what more proof you need to understand what I, and they have been saying to you. This does not mean that you or cons in general support this, but your think tanks and corporate leader DO!

That is why I call the Affordable Care Act, aka Obamacare/Romneycare,  Heritage Foundation Care.